Ciao, a me hanno detto che la parte che passa a est delle case è pubblico, a te risulta il contrario? Hai per caso delle foto che mostrano un cartello di proprietà privata?

For me, now is much better

For me the way should be deleted and the only relation that passes on the way should be moved to the orthogonal ways (highway=pedestrian)

I guess hasahi just tried to improve what was there..

Thank you very much, I really appreciate your work and the mapy.com maps!

I would like to inform you that for FVG (Friuli Venezia Giulia) the 2020 IRDAT Orthophotos and the 2020 IRDAT lidar are available and they are very detailed and precise.

Mappators who map in FVG generally align objects using the 2020 IRDAT Orthophotos and the 2020 IRDAT lidar which are much more reliable and precise than satellite images such as those from Bing and Esri.

In this specific case, both before and after your edit the objects are not aligned with the orthophotos, you can see the current situation now in this image: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zlcWa8VHGXa1DKV5sbLNuT1rOthDhc8Q/view?usp=sharing

If you want to make corrections using IRDAT 2020 orthophotos and IRDAT 2020 lidar, in JOSM you can follow these instructions:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sy6vz5eZ1TFniV82qOaMxwE3bogmWPXZ/view?usp=sharing

If you want, I am at your disposal to provide you with all the information possible.

Hi and happy mapping, Michele.

It seems to me that the way already existed before and that hasahi just added these tags:
highway=path
informal=yes

Ok, probabilmente le tue valutazioni sono più corrette. Le CTR in questo caso sono un po' strane, in effetti il punto 2224.4 sembra la selletta e non la vetta, mentre la vetta non è quotata. Forse sarebbe meglio mettere una nota per i futuri mappatori.

Ho provato a vedere su JOSM sia le CTRN 5000 che le ortofoto IRDAT. A me sembra che le CTRN 5000 indicano che il Monte Messer è nel cerchio blu a 2228,3 metri mentre nel cerchio rosso c'è una vetta senza nome a 2224,4 metri. Dalle ortofoto sembra che le 2 vette corrispondano alla cresta. Io non sono mai salito in cima, ma se le tue modifiche sono corrette allora sono sbagliate sia wikidata sia le CTRN 5000... sei sicuro della tua modifica? allego immagine: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UU-xdPQck9-YzL66wuXUMSnrkxNVbxZ6/view?usp=sharing

Hai notato che c'è un tag wikidata? Secondo wikidata sembra che la posizione corretta non è quella che hai impostato.

ciao, i codici alfanumerici dei sentieri CAI sono in minuscolo, quindi 238A andrebbe scritto 238a, se hai visto segnavia con la A maiuscola, forse sono una semplificazione per la scrittura, ma non sono corretti.

Ok, se per te segni sono buoni, togli pure il disused da disused:osmc:symbol, tuttavia è un sentiero dismesso dal CAI, pertanto disused:operator dovrebbe rimanere.
Ciao e buon mapping.

Ti ho scritto una email sui vari punti sollevati, possiamo proseguire lì?

Inoltre se una way è una via ferrata, si mappa così: highway=via_ferrata via_ferrata_scale=n ed eventualmente osm.wiki/Tag:sac_scale=..

Inoltre le tue modifiche ai nomi sono in contrasto con il sito ufficiale CAI
https://www.cai-fvg.it/sentieri-cai-fvg/settore-3-dolomiti-friulane-alpi-prealpi-carniche/ferrata-regolo-corbellini-2/

da dove hai rilevato i nomi che tu ritieni corretti?

Per favore non cancellare le note se non sai a cosa servono, nel caso specifico le note di questo tipo:
Il CAI ha in progetto di chiamarlo 316F, #CAI-GPX=316F#

I fixed the ways of:
relation/19211211 because they were crossing a pedestrian area which is a polygon and this is not considered correct by JOSM. I added a small way that crosses the pedestrian area. I personally do not consider it an elegant solution, but I think it is the only possible one.

I have some doubts about this path:

1) I don't think it's from CAI (Italian Alpine Club)

2) Are you sure the path respects the wiki? route=hiking#Tagging_walking_and_hiking_Route_Networks

Unfortunately, iD does not support reordering relation members, so you’ll need to switch to JOSM for that. Here are two helpful English-language resources with step-by-step instructions and screenshots:

JOSM Wiki “Help/Relations”: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Relations

Help OpenStreetMap thread “Re-ordering / sorting ways in a relation”: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/8197/re-ordering-sorting-ways-in-a-relation

In JOSM, there’s a “Sort Members” button built into the Relation Editor that will automatically arrange all the ways so they follow the actual hiking path. Here’s how to do it:

Open your hiking relation

Select the relation tagged type=route and route=hiking (or route=foot) in JOSM.

Launch the Relation Editor

Press Ctrl + Shift + M, or go to Edit → Edit Relation.

Click “Sort Members”

In the Relation Editor window, find and click the Sort Members button (usually an icon with three horizontal lines and an arrow). JOSM will reorder all ways so they form a continuous walking path.

Save and upload your changes

Close the Relation Editor and press Ctrl + S (or click the save button) to commit the updated relation to the server.

For more details on corner cases—like circular loops, alternate branches, or disconnected segments—please refer to the full documentation linked above.

Hope this helps! Let me know if you run into any problems.

They replied:
The signs on the ground are very old and perhaps ambiguous, they tell me that upstream going down there is a sign that indicates the track towards the east.
Therefore they will send someone to redraw the signs on the ground and they said that your change is fine because the wooded track is more protected from the floods of the torrent.
They also updated the official GPX file: https://trailsfvg.42web.io/GC/MxGpxView.html?fileGpx=605%202025T-V2.gpx
So everything is ok, let's leave your changes, I will only update the order of the ways in the relation that are messed up.
many thanks and good mapping.

thank you very much, I will send the photo to CAI right away. I will inform you of their response.