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52566221

@yaugenka As I said, no one doubts that these places have BE and RU names. What I was asking about was your change of e.g. http://osm.mapki.com/history/node.php?id=1286803731 to lose the "Станция" part of the name (regardless of language).
Separately to that, from looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BelarusHomeLanguages2009.PNG this appears to be very much in "BE spoken at home" territory.

52427936

Also re "about 4 days" - https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-September/078805.html was at "Sat Sep 23 03:15:13 UTC 2017" and the first "auto" changeset seems to be
changeset/52333709 , created at "2017-09-24T17:03:28Z". This is a gap of 38 hours, between Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon UTC. This is some way short of 4 days.
I am stunned that you continue to make statements like this that are so easily proved to be false.

52427936

> Andy, that article is very long

I'n sorry, but the text on that page is 10457 bytes in total. Reader mode in FF estimates "10-12 minutes". If you can't be bothered to read that in full then words fail me.

52344210

> There were several people who
> went there to fix uncovered issues. ...
> osm.wiki/User_talk:Yurik
Based on the people who've edited that that'd be 2 people? Also comments there include "I would really advice to stop pushing for worldwide mechanical edits. It is obvious that people are really unhappy with that idea".
It is clear that you have not persuaded the community to your way of thinking.

52566221

Er - I'm confused...
That document appears to be a document in Russian listing some village and settlement names in Russian. It merely confirms that these places have Russian names (which no-one disagrees with) as well as Belarusian names (which in this region I'm sure no-one disagrees with either).
Also, it lists _two_ different "Гудогай" settlements: "д.Гудогай" and "п.Гудогай". Where exactly are they? Do they correspond to "Малый" and "Станция", or something else again?
Finally, what's the licence under which the document was made available?

52344210

Re "every revision had entries that community fixed." I've not sure what that table shows, presumably a "disambig" is a wikipedia thing that we are supposed to know about in OSM? Do you mean wikipedia disambiguation pages where one word can have multiple meanings? My problem with "the community fixed this" is that could actually have been doing useful mapping instead - like mapping things not yet in OSM at all.
Re "explained ad nauseum" - you still haven't persuaded everyone to your argument (hence I presume the comment from someone on talk today about you "ramming things down people's throats").
OSM is a collaborative project; we need to work together and we can't just impose our views on other people who don't agree. We need to persuade, and you are failing to do that.
I'd suggest that you take a step back, take a break and let things settle for a while. Perhaps actually go outside and map something in the real world?

52409686

One problem with the wiki (or any wiki) is that it's difficult for it to get across the key points of where there are conflicting views. The "classic vs alternate" table is one of the better examples of doing that, where Harry Wood (I think) spent a lot of time putting it all together.
More often the wiki just represents the last wiki editor's opinion, and some people like to spend a _lot_ of time editing the wiki and not doing much mapping. No one has to read the history on highway=path vs highway=footway; I was just saying that the discussion was there as a matter of public record.

52419133

@Wynndale - for one example see my comment on changeset/52400509 . I suspect that they're creating personal notes in MAPS.ME and are probably not even aware that they're adding data to OSM (in the case of that changeset that I commented on, something that when translated doesn't even match the name of the place.

52409686

Just to chime in here, +1 to Adam and John above.
The mailing lists have lots of detail on how highway=path came about when highway=footway etc. already existed, and certainly highway=path is widely used in e.g. Germany for what we would call "a footpath"
If something "looks like something you can mostly just walk along" then I'd go with footway - and I'd also try and add other tags (e.g. designation=public_footpath if relevant). Data consumers will mostly combine the two through - see https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=17&lat=54.038362&lon=-2.70471 for my take on that (which also shows the cairns FWIW).

52427936

> This is something you could have told me a very long time ago, instead of wasting many hours and aggravation.
Lest we forget, a member of the OSM community told you about osm.wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct 12 days ago on changeset/51919550 , and 10 _months_ ago on changeset/43775555 the requirement to discuss was raised.
You can't claim that you didn't know.
Back to the previous question - which were the 4 days on which you claim there was no discussion on "talk" about this?

51872228

Just for info, I've changed ESC to "leisure=escape_game" which is in use elsewhere and a much better description. It probably still won't show in OsmAnd, but it should appear at e.g. https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=20&lat=53.2345533&lon=-1.430816 .

52427936

Thank you for finally admitting that yes, you did perform a mechanical edit and that no, you did not follow the documented procedure.
Which were the 4 days on which you claim there was no discussion on "talk" about this?

52420815

> Вы конечно можете не знать, но у нас отдельные слова не являются объектами авторского права. Их нельзя присвоить себе и соответственно нельзя наложить на них ограничения на использование.
I don't believe that you understand the legal structure under which OSM operates. As osm.wiki/Copyright makes clear "Do not use data from copyrighted maps or any other proprietary data!"
It must also satisfy osm.wiki/Verifiability .
If you are unable to answer those two questions we may have to remove the data that you have added from your source. Please do explain where you found the name "Касл-Байтем", where you copied it from, and what licence applies to that data. Please also explain how I may verify that name the next time that I visit Castle Bytham.

52420815

> Неужели у вас в Великобритании слово London кому-то принадлежит!? И откуда его скопировали?
А на использование слова Liverpool у вас тоже должна иметься лицензия, чтобы его написать? А у вас она есть?
I've been there and read it on a signpost. Where can I go in Castle Bytham to see the name on a signpost in Russian?

52427936

Sorry to have to spell this out in quite such detail above but your comment "Which portion of it did I fail to address" suggests one of two things:
1) A complete failure to understand what other mappers, and OSM documentation, are saying to you.
2) You're just being mendacious. Perhaps you think that what other people in the community say "somehow doesn't apply to you"?
Consistently (e.g. in changeset discussions) you've said things like "I won't do X any more" and have then gone on to do X again and again. One of these must be true. Which is it?

52427936

> Which portion of it did I fail to address?
Firstly and most importantly, you were mechanically adding while the discussion was going on, if not before.
In additon to that:
o You did not place your documentation on the wiki.
o You did not " work with [dissenters] to understand their reasons for objecting".
o You did not document your proposed edit at an English-language wiki page named "Automated edits/username".
o You did not add it to Category:Automated edits log.
You therefore did not include:
o Who is making the change (preferably your real name and how to contact you, ideally e-mail address)
o A detailed description of the algorithm you will use to decide which objects are changed how
o Information about any consultation that you have conducted, with links to mailing list/forum posts or Wiki discussion pages
o When the change was made, or how frequently it is going to be repeated
o Information on how to "opt out"
Similarly, from the next section, you did not:
o Execute only a small number of edits with a new bot before requesting and waiting for feedback.
o Plan your changesets sensibly.
o Provide a means for mappers to "opt out" of your changes,
I'm guessing that you also didn't:
o For major changes (in the six-digit range or more), check with the admins

52476334

No worries - you're not the first person to have been caught out by JOSM's "add node"!

52420815

> Весь текст на русском я набираю на клавиатуре смартфона.
But where did you copy it from? If it's something like a book, what is the licence?

52420815

Er - no need to shout!

52476334

Hello,
Not sure how it happened, but this changeset deleted a buoy from the middle of the Atlantic (it's been restored now)
Best Regards,
Andy