We do a fancy detour and are back to where we started. From my understanding, indicating "sidewalks are separately mapped" still does not indicate whether people are legally allowed/prohibited to walk on the (car) road itself, or whether people should do that.

For this specific case, when I went through this, ways way/86501905 and way/152494803 were explicitly signposted to be "no" on both sides. We may infer the entire intersection area has foot=no.

In addition, we must address the fact that, without guidance, walking on Aldrich Bay Road and Tung Hei Road remains the "best" but practically unsafe (therefore never recommended) path to Aldrich Bay neighbourhood. This comes up when querying for the bus terminus.

The "15 meter" rule may apply. Makes sense to prevent e.g. Yuen Hing Lane -> road -> Aldrich Bay Road.

Also consider the todo pipe works (?) at Kwok Shui Road, which further illustrates the non-importance. If I am understanding correctly, if we are doing functional importance, then Yau Ma Hom Road would suddenly quality as "tertiary" despite "nothing has changed".

The Wang Fuk Court exceptional promotion of Yau King Lane to "secondary" (replacing Tai Po Road) despite "nothing has changed" cannot become ordinary. It remains an exception because of the then-unprecedented impact and the then-unpredictable duration of the disaster. Temporary road closures normally should not cascade-trigger reclassification.

We are onto something.

Look back to Sai Lau Kok Road, extending westwards with Mei Wan Street, you may see there is a good path from Shing Mun Road to Tsuen King Circuit. The entire section of Sai Lau Kok Road (With Mei Wan Road) does bring people from/to another neighbourhood. Compared to CPR, there are 2 less signaled junctions, which is the main bottleneck when it comes to inner urban pathfinding.

Going back to Kwok Shui Road and this falls apart because while both sides have 0 signaled junctions, Kwok Shui Road has some zebra (!) crossings. The speed boost from CPR outweighs the shorter path length from choosing Kwok Shui Road.

I am thinking there is no inherent problem trying to connect "unclassified" directly to "secondary". Even the rendering system think similarly (tertiary+ vs unclassified-). We can have a whole network of unclassified roads anyway (e.g. foreign country suburbs).

Sai Lau Kok Road is perhaps not a good analogy. Aside from e.g. CPR (Tuen Mun) -> the Road -> Tai Ho Road, and also CPR (Lai Chi Kok) -> Tai Ho Road -> the Road, notice how there is a conscious effort to prevent pedestrian crossing over there. That does not seem like "unclassified".

The key idea is that, there is simply no reason to use Kwok Shui Road other than destination access. Just use Castle Peak Road for through traffic, which has higher speed limit, and also without the various pedestrian crossings on Kwok Shui Road.

Thanks for the catch.

changeset/186934592

My bad. Visual omission.

Would never have guessed it. Placing features at dense urban area without an "anchoring" housenumber is just asking for "can't find this" deletion.

If keeping the polygons, then at least the bus stop polygons should be smaller than the construction area polygons. Will make improvements.

It seems, in general, intersections need not be quadrilaterals (e.g. this intersection here). Most are quadrilaterals (or more complex), but that's not a given.

So far the aforementioned right turn is still legible and is still somewhat representative of irl.

I see/guess the objective is indicating the reclamation protection area. Placing the harbour to be equivalent to other natural reserve areas in the world is imo unexpected, but I guess this is still technically correct per the "protected area" definition.

Hi there with the mega changeset; specific concern at note note/5416561

Thing is, it's still in the same building. The same mall extends westwards to the other side. Entrances cannot possibly exist.

The line blurs when we think about HK style commercial 24/7 walkways that "implements" a bridge.

Based on https://www.td.gov.hk/tc/traffic_notices/index_id_83845.html ; unless we have newer situations that I am not aware of.

OSM data previously claimed to have a staircase that connects with the bridge area. I could not identify any staircase at the bridge area that satisfies this property.

I basically tried to find by "buffer:*=*", which essentially returned nothing. It seems there is currently no effective way to document these "attached" tags.

This I know, but we still know what's up when looking at the website field.

I can't effectively respond to your texts. Ultimately, all those fancy "buffer:*=*" tags, I don't even know where they are documented, just that I can see you can systematically print them out. I am supposed to read their docs first *before* doing this changeset, but it seems there are no docs to be read.

Still, separation:* is already kept even as I draw the area as two separate ways. The road_marking schema is clear and interesting, so perhaps the wiki page should be improved; or perhaps I should just re-read them and learn them better.