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175310866

La super route ne change rien.
En pratique l’intérêt est uniquement dans l’éditeur de relation de josm qui va afficher un mode chemin de fer qui permet de voir la continuité de l’itinéraire

175310866

WMT semble les trouver toutes ?
https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#search?query=GR%20de%20Pays%20de%20la%20D%C3%A9odatie

170569625

> I also advocate for using a descriptive value for the `network=` tag to group together related walking and cycling routes rather than using generalized blunt values like `network=lcn`, but that requires a larger discussion.

We also facing issue with network relations, network tag with xxn values.

I'am personnally fan of using "descriptive value" for network tag.
We experiment using network:wikidata tag instead.

170569625

> For the water trail discontinuities, did you mean the segments weren't ordered properly?

Yes, but I didn't specifically check this route, I tried to work only on Golden Spike Trail Network.

170569625

> For the Golden Spike Trail Network, this isn't really a route so I changed the relation to be type=network.

I understand.

> I think it's fine to retain relations for stuff like this as long as they're tagged correctly and don't mess up other tools.

Unfortunately WMT don't display network relation.

I check Golden Spoke Trail Network. It seem that the following routes are partly or completely part of GSTN :
- Parley's Trail — Q39054161 : 9 segments
- Centennial Trail : 21 segments
- Weber River Parkway : 1 segment
- Ogden River Parkway : 11 segments
- U.S. Bicycle Route 77 — Q108067357: 39 segments
- SR-193 Trail : 1 segment
- Syracuse Trail : 1 segment
- Denver and Rio Grande Western Rail Trail : 9 segments
- Legacy Parkway Trail : 6 segments
- 9 Line Trail : 1 segment
- Jordan River Parkway Trail : 17 segments
- Lehi Rail Trail : 4 segments
- Murdock Canal Trail : 6 segments
- Utah Lake Shoreline Trail : 6 segments

Excluded route :
- Jordan River Water Trail (canoë)

In Europe we design this type of network as :
- node network
- super route with routes members

170569625

I reduced the number of segments (125 to 86).

And fixed the Jordan River Water Trail discontinuities.

I also added a Knooppuntnet monitor for it.
Currently it show the number of segments.
If you use sub relations for each "alternative", the KPN monitor's map will show each part, and number of segments for each one.

https://knooppuntnet.nl/fr/monitor/groups/zzz/routes/Jordan%20River/map?mode=comparison&reference=false&matches=true&deviations=true&osm-relation=true&layers=osm&position=40.61873449,-111.71098347,9

170569625

Hi Quincy,

This relation is discontinued (125 segments according Waymarked Trails).
https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=11643604&type=relation

I discovered it. It seem a "network" of only 4 trails according the official interactive map.
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/c13dacfd9a4d4d668f34447e3cd139e5/page/Official-Route-(C)

In France we have a lot of hiking, mtb or bicycle routes (and long ones).

We designed them as 1 superroute and routes (splitted in stages, alternatives, approches…).

We have also a lot of node networks.
We have issues with big relations and we discuss of using a network:wikidata tag instead of a network relation.

Could we discuss about route and network design ?

Best regards,

Yves — Groupe OSM Plein Air (OSM Outdoor working group)

174664264

Le sentier des buttes est cassé aussi ici :
way/1177222846#map=23/48.83931605/2.18858600&layers=V

Je corrige.

Yves

171580863

Bonjour,

Tu as cassé la continuité de l'itinéraire de randonnée "Sentier des Buttes"
relation/2866805

Je corrige.

Cordialement,
Yves — Groupe OSM Plein Air

173755826

Stephane and Joost, I missed your messages.

At Outreau (near Boulogne) the route follow the beach near an old Gare de Boulogne-Aéroglisseurs.

Best regards,
Yves

173755826

I fixed this part according to the website.
changeset/174732576#map=16/50.56992/1.58559&layers=P

Merci Joost

PS: Another part near Outreau should be fixed but there is a lot of work

173755826

Ok, thanks.

The official website say :
"Attention, cet hiver certains tronçons du parcours ont été endommagés par des érosions et sont temporairement fermés au public."

https://velo-rando-pasdecalais.com/gr120-sentier-littoral

171354532

C'est corrigé : way/438550881/history

171354532

PS: C'est "visible" avec WMT en cliquant sur "Analyser la relation" dans le volet à droite.

https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=6517771&type=relation&map=18.0/45.8115/6.3384

On arrive à voir que c'est ce changeset à l'origine de la discontitnuité en regardant l'historique de la relation avec le greffon better-osm-org.

relation/6517771/history#map=18/45.811501/6.338398&layers=P

et surtout l'historique du way qui a été prolongé :
way/438550881/history

171354532

Bonjour,

Tu as "cassé" la continuité de l'itinéraire de randonné GRP en prolongeant une route (cf. version #2 de way/438550881).

Cordialement,
Yves — Groupe OSM Plein Air

160997921

Bonsoir,

2 des 4 bâtiments modifiés sont en fait des toits.
Ils avaient d'ailleurs le tag wall=no issu de l'import du cadastre.
Celui de la boutique de la station service a aussi été modifié en appartement.

Je corrige.

Cordialement,
Yves

137185057

Bonjour,
Tu avais cassé la continuité de la Traversée de Paris n°2 au Buttes Chaumont dans ce changeset.
(Et c'est toi même qui l'avais créé en version 38).

Je corriges.

Cordialement,
Yves — Groupe OSM Plein Air

173757206

See changeset/173755826#c1510197

173755893

see changeset/173755826#c1510197

173755826

Hi Joost,
You broke te continuity of both E9 and GR 120-Sentier du Littoral.

In this changeset and in the following changesets :
changeset/173755893
changeset/173757206

You could see discontinuities with WMT (press analyse route) :
https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=2139379&type=relation&map=8.0/50.5787/1.976

Could you fix the route (better with JOSM) or do you need help ?
Do you speak french ?

Best regards,
Yves — Groupe OSM Plein Air