Just curious, what are 'embedded_rails'. Spend a lot of time yesterday to fix this rotonda and make it a presentable and remember putting the two 'tunnel' parts in as ducts, now seeing one is tagged waterway=stream and the shorter one waterway=drain. Think it has to be both one or the other.
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I noticed a lot more. The missing tracks I've created from real traces and the obstacles were marked for a safe ride and thought to do a little extra based on past used tags to include the 12 that are presented when drilling from Ciclovia Adriatica Relation in OSM to that change set at Benedetto in the hyperlink of the wiki you 'corrected'. I'm hands off now. Few levels over my unpaid grade.

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Only a beginners error on my part, copy paste straight from the location's webpage
https://www.d-piu.com/punti_vendita/d344-pescara/ Glad there's a validation system in place and someone gets notified with years of practise.
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BTW, looking at the BI site trace on top of the OSM map on which I recognize many of my edits and additions, that trace http://www.bicitalia.org/it/bicitalia/gli-itinerari-bicitalia/131-bi6-ciclovia-adriatica is going to end you up dead, or the person who drew it could fly. Just look at the section front of the Tollo-Canosa Sanita rail station which I worked on extensively. Someone did fly or was in a GPS blackout zone and QA failed. Then there's a little segment near Punta Penna. It was lost to a landslide at least 5 years ago. It's fenced off, if you want you could scale the fence and risk falling off a cliff. That's 5 years. I've added a barrier both sides so actual routes planned against OSM maps stop bumping into those and give someone bad ideas to climb around it.

Yet, these wrong/superfluous tags are the ones that were on the initial change set you referred me to, it shows the Relation Cycle_route = Ciclovia Adriatica. I'm still unsure how that 'relation' comes alive, but the wiki says it needs big jsom computing effort, so any base relation should never exceed 300 members, and then all these sub sets can be connected with a superset.

I'll wait a day or so after having put on the tags from ortona to punta aderci, just needed one tag deletion, a few changes and 7 or so tag additions. The relations wiki speak of it needing a lot of time to generate the relations maps. See osm.wiki/Relation:route . Specifically Eurovelo gets a mention here, where they are just using the same infrastructure as the nat.societies do. At any rate, already see things popping out that seem to just be a product of backend OSM processes

As extract:

Common practice is not to create route relations with more than 250–300 members. If you need to create bigger relations, which could happen easily, make several reasonable-sized relations and unite them in a super-relation as mentioned above. Reasons:

Keep the relations editable.
Avoid conflicts. The bigger the relation the more likely it is that two users are working on it at the same time.
Save the server resources.
There is also a list of Monster Relations.

Ergo, not a good idea to put all against a single "Ciclovia Adriatia" relation.

Taking a break now. Tomorrow is another day, we (me) is doing this for free just to get get my cycle tour planning program to do it right the first time, as said earlier, it's 96-98 percent right now.

Just since June 3, that famous day now we could go outside of our street.

Errata: Following the Bicitalia site route, notice that though some sections are marked as being part of the BI-6 route, there's no relation registered in OSM.

The wiki referred with both ICN/NCN numbers is: osm.wiki/Italy/Ciclovie . It stands to reason that if BI-6 is extended, EV8 would follow suite, but given the Bicitalia site draws the BI-6 track all the way from Trieste to Santa Maria di Leuca way down south one would follow the other and the 'currency' of OSM is just way behind.
I prefer you show me in the linked map what's right and wrong in tags and to set up the relation. Got time on my hand and rode the subject track plus Pescara - Giulianova 3 times out and in i.e. seen it 6 times.

See my long comment to a change set at Benedetto

From your note, kindly look at this change set on one small section osm.org/edit#map=18/42.30576/14.45057 to which I added/changed the 12 tags that I found relating to the one you referred. What's thick as mud is, how the relation is added, the impression being that if you add just that, all the 12 tags get added, but educate me on that if you will..

I note the complete absence of technical information on that Benedetto section osm.org/edit?relation=1401870#map=17/42.98218/13.87350, no width, no colour, no pavement, shared, segregated et, all documented from 3 full day visits along the full extend in Abruzzo, go pro is great for that. Certainly, with the actual official signs put out in places in Abruzzo, I'm surprised that Bicitalia is not up to snuff with their 'operator' and not done the OSM updating work....Drawing a line on a map is easy. I've found hundreds upon hundreds of those, with the result that if I use the tour cycle routing software I'm finding myself either just peddling along the SS16 or SS5 or on a 30 degree uphill MTB track. At least now I got it in a state that that if I plan Pescara- Punta Penna, 95-98% actually does use the intended track, and that's 65km one way. Started doing this some month ago so surely I'm missing a lot.

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The numbers come off an integrated wiki showing both NCN/ICN refs side by side i.e. BI6/EV8. Some sites have seemingly badly outdated info. Large Stretches between Ortona and Punta Penna are officially not open yet, but the public use has been facilitated. Was unaware some had already created a relation. The name I have comes off a formal track sign near Pineto Scerne, directing at "Ciclovia Adriatica BI-6, but I'm all for merging what was there and is new. I'll study this to see how to achieve this most efficiently,ASAP

To be complete, it's the just west of Carsoli then east till Tagliacozzo that got a different route name presently. At the very least a field should have been populated with the old route name. Routing system broen.

Think I figured it it why things no longer link up. The route name for the missing section was changed to Strada Regionale. The one who vigorously renumbered SS5 to SR5 from Bussi to Pescara did not touch the route name, maybe because s/he never saw the relevance of it. Anyway, so far only one endorsement comment on my publick note about this contentious issue (to me), ii.e. it should be SS5, period.

cheers.

Looked with Google streetview and on the east side there's a shield over it saying "passaggio pedonale verso via del Circuito". Suggest you mark the entrances both as barrier, fenced off, so it won't be used in route planners for city hikers.

This pedestrian tunnel has been closed (fenced off) for probably 2 years if not longer. Reason unknown, one could speculate to include the 3rd rail track construction, but the closure was long before that work began. Anyway 20 meters north the via Teramo has a good 2 meter wide pedestrian way now which makes that tunnel redundant. Not lit, a sinister way to use at night.

OK, I'll be patient (I'm not by nature, so if definitive info comes along before your return, I'll be going ahead. Right now plugging in SS5 Rome to Pescara has this gap at the said section, whereas the section from Bussi to Pescara is included fine although the number there is SR5.

Stay safe, and do wear your mask, they protect against flu too, big drop in the US of flu cases and fatalities.

Just squeezing myself in and apologies for intruding, was researching the SS5 renumbering to SR5, actually left a note on the map for all to see inviting comment as I don't necessarily agree with this having been done, all road signs on and pointing to the Tiburtina still showing SS5. Saw yoo did some work on the SS5 and discovered 'relations' and see there is a break in the SS5 route from just west of Carsoli then east towards Tagliacozzo. Any idea how to fix this? old_ref SS5/ ref SR5 seem to be there when spot checking and digging too deep i get "Sorry, the data for the relation with the id 31311, took too long to retrieve".

Anyway, just trying to understand why the road from a Bussi junction to Pescara was renamed SR5, some piece from Tivoli was, but really there being no consistency.

Thanks for your attention.

Looks good. Too late I saw a lot of segments had spelling in the route/track name. Correct is: Ciclovia Adriatica - BI6 . It was probably me, not important, fix and move on. :O)

Excellent. Note that BI-6 is also known with icn_ref = EV8 icn=yes. If you could add those tags to your change set saves me from searching them out again.

Since both icn_ref and ncn_ref have a description that icn=yes & ncn=yes note respective I'm not sure if those tags need to be used at all but does not harm.

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Kindly redraw your ferry route to land in Pescara harbor and not miles south. Also the land route is completely cross country rather than actual route. Rather than actually drawing the land route, you can add route coding to the the streets and motorway, less confusing other editors.

Thanks

This changeset seems to touch on various indoor climbing facilities from Perth, Scotland to a spot on a Greek peninsula. If you make changes, could you please do the edit & save one by one and not all together in a single one.and save. Everyone in this square area from NW Europe to SE Europe gets to see your work in their history.

Another discussion highlights this issue about cross border operators and are not happy about that. Certainly, I'm in Italy and only edit spots where physically and care to save them individually..

If you did not do that tag change on all these climbing sites, you might want to investigate why that happens, but the seeming consensus is, don't make combined edits that go beyond a country border. It helps clean up everyone's volunteer work on OSM and not cause the question "What did s/he change'.

Thanks for your consideration.

PS Was not the first time your name popped up in my little spot..