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184932796

Looks like I fed wrong changeset number into the revert tool. I have tagged back the parking attribute.

184932796

Hi. Yes it was a mistake. I am evaluating what caused it and whether it changes anything

184933222

You can't tag purely residential street in a hamlet or isolated residential area using highway=tertiary. You did that a lot, proved that you have not understanding of OSM highway tag.

184933222

Special assessment based on what? Your own baseless justification?

184932856

What are your edits based on? If it's based on your judgement without clear base, you are wrong. OpenStreetMap is not your own sandbox map.

184933222

What are your edits based on? If it's based on your judgement without clear base, you are wrong. OpenStreetMap is not your own sandbox map.

184882284

DWG encouraged discussion, which we cannot do effectively in changeset comment. Moreover, you keep reverting edits since a few weeks ago, which made it harder to have comprehensive discussion.

184814399

Here is a reality check for you: Ngawi is not a city according to Kemendagri. It does not even have or categorized as Regional Activity Center (PKW) according to the East Java's RTRW. In order to surpass Madiun's population, Ngawi must combine population data from three districts.

184814399

On which page? Madiun is classified as city and Ngawi is not

184814677

Then you should create discussion on OSM Community form, OSM Wiki proposal, or Indonesian Telegram group based on that argument. I also somewhat disagree with tagging regency center using the same tag as district towns. However, I choose to follow community guideline instead of forcing my argument into large-scale edit of the map without discussion.

184814845

Correction: Local Activity Center shouldn't be used for reference point for secondary roads, but they can be used as reference point for tertiary roads.

However in this case, my point still stands. Connection between Gudo and Jombang regency center is already accomodated by both secondary road on the west and primary road on the east.

184814845

It is a district. Secondary roads are only acceptable for connection between regency capital or Local Activity Center to districts around it.

In this case, Kabupaten Jombang administrative center is in Jombang district itself. There are two other Local Activity Centers in Jombang, Mojoagung and Ploso. However, based on their proximity, they are not activity center for Gudo. So, the link between Jombang and Gudo is the only one deserved to be classified as highway=secondary in this area.

Link from Gudo to Jombang is already accomodated through secondary road from Temuwulan-Wangkalkepuh. There is also an alternative link through primary road via Diwek. Both secondary and primary connections to Gudo are also connected to Pare and Ngasem, two Local Activity Centers in Kediri. Thus, no more secondary roads are needed.

184816944

Again, please explain what is your reason for upgrading these roads into highway=secondary. If you have no reason, then i will continue trying to retain them as highway=tertiary. Even if that means editing war.

184823283

I reverted my edit on these roads. Jalan Gayam-Sidorejo and Gurah-Brenggolo only form indirect link from neighborhood activity centers (PK-Ling) to local activity centers (PKL).

These roads do not link local activity centers to regional activity centers. For example, link of Gurah (PKL) to Pare, Ngasem, and Kediri City (PKW) is uses primary road. Gurah to Plosoklaten (PKL-PKL) should be using highway=tertiary instead of secondary. Link of Plosoklaten (PKL) to Pare, Ngasem, and Kediri City (PKW) uses Jalan Raya Brenggolo and Jalan Plosoklaten-Gedangsewu secondary roads.

184816944

It is flexible, but based on community consensus, not on individual basis.

184816464

Still, it does not classify as a city. Only a district functioned as regency center of activity and administration.

I also have checked RTRW you mentioned. There is no proof that Ngawi is a medium city.

184816464

According to Kemendagri, Ngawi is not a city. Indonesian community follow this since there is a debate whether population alone would justify "city" classification. Please engage with community discussion, instead of forcing your own definition

184816464

It is not. Ngawi is not a city based on government's classification. It is only a regency.

And also, how would you solve the rendering issue? What justify Ngawi to be rendered bigger than Madiun, main city in this area and more important than Ngawi?

183626949

Hi. I have removed most stops in that route

184199787

I agree with your intention of mapping more proposed project. However, as stated on that wiki page, it would be better to only map features that are nearing construction or have visible proof on the ground.

Some example for this case are Way:1304806223 which features abandoned railway construction project near Cikampek, and Way:1344369761 which features plan to construct a replacement line that already passed DED study and have multiple benchmarks on the ground.