CAM-Gerlach's Comments
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| 183534285 | Given most of your claims don't make any sense given what either of us actually changed, I suspect you have somehow confused my changes here with something else entirely. I highly recommend the Better-OSM-org user script that shows much more clearly what changed, or if not using OSMCha to view this changeset: https://osmcha.org/changesets/183534285 > Thứ nhất: Theo Nghị quyết số 202/2025/QH15, sau khi sắp xếp, cả nước có 34 đơn vị hành chính cấp tỉnh (gồm 28 tỉnh và 06 thành phố trực thuộc Trung ương) thì tỉnh Bình Thuận không còn trên bản đồ. Sorry, but how does that have anything to do with either your changesets or this changeset reverting them? Nothing in your changes so much as referred to "Bình Thuận" anywhere I can see, much less changed anything to do with provincial naming. Of course, if there are other changes you want to see on the map, you are welcome to update it accordingly, after consulting with the local Viet Namese mapping community and carefully following all OSM guidelines, conventions and good practices. If you don't want to make the changes yourself, you are welcome to leave an OSM note describing them in detail and linking to sources, for otherm mappers to reference in teh future. > Thứ 2: Đường mà mấy ông ghi là đường ven biển là hoàn toàn sai, nó là đường ĐT716B Again, neither your changesets nor mine reverting them touched any roads whatsoever, nor even changed the addr:street=* tag on existing objects, so your claim that "I" somehow labeled some road as such doesn't make sense. Furthermore, I see the road running through this area is already tagged according to what you said, as ref=ĐT.716 . If you believe the name=* does not match either signage, addresses or widespread usage and have sources to support that, you are free to update it or at least add a note describing it in detail (though I would strongly recommend consulting with other local mappers first before such major changes). > Thứ 3: Tôi định vị vị trí của "Công ty" tôi trên bản đồ nhằm mục đích chỉ đường chứ không phải SEO như ông nói. SEO spam on OSM is defined by its characteristics, not by intent. Your account was issued an official warning by the OSM administrators due to promotional SEO spam on its profile, More directly relevant to this changeset, both the description=* tag and the note=* tag contained rather blatant SEO self-promotion, which is strictly prohibited on OSM and was one reason for it being reverted per OSM policy. See e.g. osm.wiki/Spam#SEO_Spam : > Often the Changeset Description and Description tag contain marketing hype. Marketing hype is not objectively verifiable and breaks one of OSM's key criteria of verifiability. Unverifiable claims should be deleted And description=* description=*#No_advertising : > The description should only include neutral and factual information about the object. It should not include subjective evaluations, e.g. "the best restaurant in town", "modern, comfortable hotel, in the heart of the city". Do not use description=* for advertising messages. They will be removed as spam and may also have further consequences for your OSM account. > Thứ 4: Hiện tại chỉ có google maps họ mới cập nhật lại và đúng với Quy định về tên đường địa chỉ của Nhà nước Việt Nam theo Nghị quyết mới. Once again, neither your changes, this revert or the reasons for it involved anything to do with road names nor addresses. If you believe they should be updated and have independent, allowable sources for that information (e.g. official government documents/websites), you can leave a detailed OSM Note, or update them yourself after consulting with your local community. Do note that copying from Google Maps (or other maps or sources that aren't explicitly license-compatible with OSM) to update them is strictly prohibited and may be a violation of local and international copyright law. The issue that is relevant here is the fact that your changeset directly references Google Maps and appeared to be at least partially based on Google Maps data, judging from the image=* tag as well as your comments referencing it and directly alluding to that fact. Therefore, per copyright law and OSM policy it had to be immediately reverted (in addition to the promotional content). > Fifth: You should familiarize yourself with these recent changes—particularly the updated road names—to ensure accuracy and provide correct information to users. Unlike yourself, I am not a local mapper this area, so I neither have the responsibility to nor would it be appropriate for me to make such changes, I just go around the world cleaning up spam and promotion. You, on the other hand, are once again more than welcome to make such changes after consultation with the Viet Namese mapping community, or leave a note for other local mappers describing in detail what you think should be changed, why, and links to appropriate allowable sources. Best of luck. |
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| 183534285 | Indeed, that's great advice for other SEO accounts like yours. And yup, exactly--as the changeset message states, this revert was performed due to likely copying data off Google Maps, as you verified now. Thanks for understanding! |
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| 182304334 | Hi, so instead of adding the restaurant as a POI (i.e. a node) inside of the ice rink building, as your description=* describes it to be, this changeset instead inexplicably removed the leisure=ice_rink tag from the entire building (as well the also-valid nysgissam:nysaddresspointid=MONR016200 import tag used for future update tracking), and instead tagged the entire building as just your restaurant, which is of course not correct and which I fixed for you in my changeset by splitting the tags for your restaurant to a separate node. See also osm.wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element Additionally, the description=* tag contained rather blatant SEO spam self-promotion, which is strictly prohibited on OSM, so I removed it. See e.g. osm.wiki/Spam#SEO_Spam : > Often the Changeset Description and Description tag contain marketing hype. Marketing hype is not objectively verifiable and breaks one of OSM's key criteria of verifiability. Unverifiable claims should be deleted And description=* : > The description should only include neutral and factual information about the object. It should not include subjective evaluations, e.g. "the best restaurant in town", "modern, comfortable hotel, in the heart of the city". Do not use description=* for advertising messages. They will be removed as spam and may also have further consequences for your OSM account. I considered at least trimming down the SEO spammy list of many different cuisine=* s, but perhaps against my better judgment decided to leave it. Also, the building was unsquared and the service road intersected with it, so I fixed those issues for you as well. For full details on exactly what I changed, see the above-linked changeset--if you don't have the recommended Better-OSM.org user script installed osm.wiki/Better-osm-org the default OSM.org changeset view is pretty useless, but you can browse it on OSMCha instead: https://osmcha.org/changesets/183533993 Additionally, the added phone=* was malformed (which a bot fixed for you), and this changeset inexplicably added your restaurant to the Erie Canal Water Trail relation (an not-uncommon SEO spammer tactic), breaking it. Fortunately, @scarapella generously fixed it for you in changeset/183533993 changeset/183533993 ( https://osmcha.org/changesets/183533993 ). Normally, any one of the major issues above by a SEO account would have been grounds for a wholesale revert per OSM DWG guidance, but as the relation damage (and phone number) had already been fixed and your other tags were valid I went ahead and fixed everything else for you this time. Happy mapping. |
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| 181990922 | Thanks, but I see you still haven't removed the copious promotional marketing copy on your user profile as you were required to do as a condition of your block osm.org/user_blocks/20488 |
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| 172589184 | Thanks Pascal! |
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| 183379012 | I guess I must have forgotten to mention in the report that I already manually removed the remaining SEO spam tags for their changesets, so it seems I ended up wasting both of our times here without anything to show for it. Oh well--lesson learned for the future. |
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| 168871006 | Thanks; unfortunately, this is not the first time I've seen online gambling promoted on OSM, especially in East and Southeast Asia. The methods may be modern, but the lure of a quick buck (or rupiah, in this case) is timeless. The sketchy online gambling operation is likely paying some low-budget SEO outfit to spam them on different websites--in just the past couple weeks around ~400+ SEO accounts with ~1000+ total changesets have been blocked on OSM (a backlog which I'm working through remediating at a rate of 20-40 accounts/50-100 changesets a day), and that's only the fraction of the total that actually gets detected. And the scale of these operations can be pretty huge--I've spotted others myself that turned out to be a ring of hundreds of accounts with thousands of changesets over the course of a few months, all by the same group. Thanks for doing your part and keeping an eye on changesets in your area, and happy mapping! |
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| 156086658 | Removed/fixed SEO spam tags and corrected/split out name=* in changeset/183332726 |
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| 162230770 | Removed SEO spam tags and corrected/split out name=* in changeset/183332639 |
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| 160935709 | Removed SEO spam tags and corrected/split out name=* in changeset/183332470 |
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| 160886527 | Removed nonsense name=* added to building by SEO account in changeset/183332373 |
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| 160821669 | Added missing top-level tag (office=engineer) to ParamountBuilt POI so it is actually useful, and fixed phone number formatting in changeset/183332206 |
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| 168622232 | Removed promotional and SEO spam tags and cleaned up others in changeset/183332074 |
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| 168747185 | Removed SEO spam tags and fixed/cleaned up others in changeset/183331723 |
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| 168792131 | Also duplicate of existing POI node/13011387263 |
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| 170722666 | Removed SEO spam brand=* tag and used more correct shop=* tag for Luxury Materials POI in changeset/183281918 |
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| 169047704 | changeset/169067912 fixed the rest of the SEO spam; I fixed the invalid building=* tag in changeset/183281677 |
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| 169057005 | Removed SEO spam description=* and used correct top-level tags for Prettify Creative in changeset/183281551 |
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| 169101557 | Yup, as you surmised the location of the node was already incorrect and then they inexplicably changed the details for this Fort Collins, CO location to those of the Amarillo, TX location. I reverted this, moved the point to the correct location per the (original) address and fixed other tags in changeset/183280371, and merged the relevant tags with the actual intended Amarillo Texas POI in changeset/183280328 |
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| 169093153 | Reverted POI address and details being changed to those of a different brand location in a complete other state, moved point to correct location per address and fixed other tags in changeset/183280371, and merged the relevant tags with the actual intended Texas POI in changeset/183280328 |