I suppose you also didn't see this? Obviously looks like a road to me. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3908067,-76.2778874,3a,55y,240.79h,82.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPJa_yBqaL6k1MxZt9YJlRw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Yes, Frederik and I have been at loggerheads for decades now. He thinks that abandoned railroads should NEVER be mapped, and if they're still visible, they should be mapped as embankment=yes or barrier=fence or whatever. He's welcome to be wrong, I've given up on getting wisdom from him.

I realize that people disagree with me over the value of mapping abandoned railroads. The Facebook group "Abandoned Railroads" has 109K users so clearly people want them mapped.

I don't see the value in deleting things that someone else has added. Thank you, by the way, for contacting me rather than simply deleting this road. I guess you missed the abutments upstream on Mahoopany Creek?

I saw from your profile that you don't want anything which could be tagged as abandoned to be in OSM. Is that a fair characterization? But why keep the name Ricketts when the town has been abandoned? Clearly there is value in mapping things that exist in the real world, including ghost town names and ghost town roads.

I'm sorry you feel that way about mapping abandoned things, but if it exists, I'm going to map it, and if people aren't using it, I'll tag it accurately as abandoned.

Perhaps you should spend more time mapping things that you care about than fighting about the things other people are about? It's not like OSM is full! There are tons of poorly mapped (that is, TIGER) rural roads in PA that you could fix.

You can see it on the LIDAR just in case you have never been in Ricketts the ghost town, not the state park: russnelson.com/temp/Ricketts-road.png

Your comments are very hostile. I am not going to supply you with ANY evidence because you will not believe it any more than you will believe my word. If you want to see the evidence go there. I suggest you park in the parking lot with the historic sign next to Mehoopany Creek. That will give you a good view of it.

Thanks for your comments. I've been there, and I saw it. If you haven't been there, then how can you say "please stop adding junks"?

I'm looking at the Google Street View for the street that crosses this spur: way/394148791 and it sure looks like the rails are still there. Have they been pulled?

Some segments have been razed, which justified tagging them with "razed". I'm opposed to deleting them entirely because I don't know, and you don't now, that more field work might find evidence of them. For example, a metal detector could very likely find spikes, as some are always to be found. Or higher resolution LIDAR might show a shadow in a field.

If someone added something, it's always a good idea to leave it there.

Your changeset claims that you have looked for every single removed object and not seen them on aerials.

I have photographs of the P&SB and Ithaca Branch railbeds which you claim are "truly gone with no traces".

You need to stop doing this, or you will be stopped. Mappers have been banned for less!

I believe his "absolutely no trace left in the real world (never even built!). " comment comes from my practice of mapping as abandoned railroads those locations where a railroad was started but never finished. I map them as railbeds rather than as embankments or cuts or tunnels because that is what they are.

As you have noticed, he is not a careful editor. I have plenty of examples of locations (with photos!) where there are in fact traces: abutments, piers, bridges, fills and cuts which he has willy-nilly deleted. The damage he is doing to OSM is incalculable.

Hi, Greg. What gave you the idea that the Dunderberg Spiral Railway was to have been narrow gauge? Joseph Brennan says that it was to have been standard gauge. https://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/dunderberg/history.html

Why did you tag the Twain trail as access=no? That's news to me, as my wife and I hiked it back in June.

Why did you map the never-built extension of NY-5 west of Camillus? None of the "service roads" seem to be used. May I delete them?

Oh, I didn't know about Oneida land claims. Fair enough. And yes, Salamanca might also be double-named because it *is* outright on the rez.

Why add native American names to name= when they are not used in or by the city? They are not the common names of those places.

Yup, yup, yup, and yup. Specifically to research abandoned railroads. Which you deleted because you didn't see them.

Have you been to Batavia?

Hey, thanks for trying to be a good editor, but I'm going to have to revert these. I've been everywhere in New York State, and if I add something, it should be there.

Thank you, yes, that is what I wanted. JOSM doesn't have it in its set of railway tags.

https://www.lrhs.com/milford-park-railway/ says that it's 18" gauge.