FYI - I'm planning to map all the way down to Indian Creek - let me know if you have any insight as a local. I always cede way to those that are local on-the-ground.

Hi Hans - All of the above, actually. The winter route is very easy to follow on Strava (much to my surprise - I expected the trail to be much more diffuse and unmappable), and the summer trail to the east is mostly satellite/Lidar imagery and some Strava, with topo maps guiding the way (trail is VERY hard to pick out in places). I plan to tag trail visibility accordingly.

> I just think there's a high risk of bad mapping when singularly using Strava data without a secondary reference (personal knowledge, another map, etc.) My people getting lost comment is a sentiment that guides my OSM mapping. "Would I be comfortable if a friend used this data to plan their hiking trip" etc.

Oh okay - my misunderstanding of your comment. I'm ALWAYS using more than one source when I map: besides Strava, OSM GPS traces and satellite imagery, I'm also using the USFS IVM (https://www.fs.fed.us/ivm/) and/or the USFS GDS portal (https://data-usfs.hub.arcgis.com/) and whatever local maps and/or trail reports I can find.
I'm completely anal about accuracy and usability, with the knowledge that what I'm mapping will pop into Mapbox/Natural Atlas/AllTrails/ArtOfTheTrek/etc etc within a few months.
And yeah... I might use iD, but I'm definitely not a beginner mapper.
But always happy and eager to learn and be educated - so on a similar friendly note, thanks for keeping me on point and accountable. It's good that there are other mappers paying attention!

@TomPar Despite what you said, you ARE being overly dramatic. As if my failure to post a speed limit tag on a road makes me liable for a driver's crash or speeding ticket. Likewise, my mapping of a trail or bushwhack route does NOT make me liable for another human's actions or issues on that trail.
I won't even get started on your apparent hostility toward armchair mapping.
Your comments have been noted, but please understand that if we solely rely on in-person survey for mapping, OSM would be nowhere.

Hi there - a very fair question. I actually took them from Strava traces, and only mapped the strongest tracks. I don't normally map bushwhack trails (kind of goes against the whole point of bushwhacking), but the Strava traces were crazy strong, as if these were well-treaded trails.
To be honest, it bugged me afterward that I had added them - I know full well that seeing trails mapped where you want to bushwhack takes all the fun out of it. So based on all that, I'm going to pare them down right now...

Disregard - I added it back myself.

I respect what you're doing, but not how you're doing it. Way #978055205 was deleted by you an hour ago. Can you revert it back please?
It's a valid trail - it's the Tunnel Bypass Trail ffs, and you deleted the bypass!

It appears you're deleting trails that aren't recognized by the NPS?

And thx btw

The issue wasn't that it was 'primary', it was that it was 'primary_link', which won't even render until zoomed in for most data users.

Hey there - you changed the highway classification on NC 212 to "primary_link", which is the designation for an onramp/offramp or access road from another arterial way. I am changing this back to Secondary in a few places where I am mapping near the NC/TN border - can you do the same for the rest of this highway?
Let me know if you need more info or any clarification - thanks!

Hi there - just a note: Don't set the "access" tag to "no" (i.e. access=no) on a trail or road, unless the road is closed to all traffic! An 'access=no' tag supersedes all other access tags!
You effectively closed down the Appalachian Trail at the GA/NC state line where I'm currently mapping.

Jelovšček ali Jelovščak?

OMG - you took care of the 'disused:railway=rail' tags for me on the Murwillumbah rwy line! Thank you! That was a brainfart - only remembered after I had already gone past Byron Bay. Thx again!

Actually - Elaroo Rill was on the DCS basemap, but the 2 others were mentioned on a blog post referencing the 1:100,000 NATMAP for Penrith, and I confirmed their existence on geoscience.gov.au.
But yeah - that basemap IS great!

Mike - I suspect that trail is now a disused:highway - both ends obscured so hikers stay off it, but still a visible trail in the middle. I'm firmly in the "map what's there" camp, and not in the "NPS/USFS doesn't want this trail used so don't map it" club. *grin*
I agree - many of those fords are probably bridges or culverts. I usually map ford for paths unless I can see what's going on - sort of a 'fail-closed' approach.
"Assume You'll Get Your Feet Wet"
On the last point - that's interesting. I've been bugging Mapbox about their water pipeline - waterways and water polygons are currently frozen, with months of changes unapplied. Supposedly they will have the new pipeline rev in mid-August.
Does Mapbox have a mapping team working on National Parks right now?
Greg

AGGGGHHHH! No excuse - I was in a hurry and did some sloppy tagging.
1) That was only supposed to apply to way/310456812. The Mill Creek Trail was routed along there, I can see a cutline that marks the trail, but there's no Strava traffic at all. I tagged the visibility before realizing that it was part of the arterial trail, and then forgot to take off that tag from the arterial.
2) Sloppy of me. Not sure why I did that at all.
Both issues are fixed.
Thx so much for spotting both of those issues - greatly appreciated!
Greg

And apologies for any snark I may have thrown at you. :)

Yep - agreed. We're really on the same team here! I appreciate what you're doing in RoMo - I've run into so much bad/sloppy mapping lately, it's refreshing to see someone who knows what they're doing!

I found it - way #180642376. Guilty as charged.