You had one helluva month Rory! Anyway, to give you full credit you made several useful contributions to #osmIRL_buildings and helped your birth country’s mapping effort.

It is nice to see more chapters coming into effect, when normality eventually returns to this planet and we can meet face to face chapters are the way to go in terms of organizing meetings. I assume everyone is going to be sick of zooms and hangouts soon :)

@VictorIE I absolutely agree - I think that people from deprived neighbourhoods will not have the same opportunities, but my diary post wasn’t about that. I think there is a role for organisations that have access to such communities to ask experienced mappers to visit them. The fewer level 3 tags is also related to the low numbers of POI opportunities. I agree with you, poorer areas can be bland and devoid of street furniture, planting and infrastructure - creating the POI opportunity, and given what we know about tags those are more likely to be the item that attracts tagging depth.

@fpagenk I didn’t brushoff anything off actually, I went to extra lengths to count and write about things within the confines of a diary post - and I gave the tagging depth finding good coverage of the observed differences between deprived and affluent areas. By the way it is strange for you to suggest that I can compare things mapped against things that might exist in greater density when the map of Dublin is generally incomplete. I disagree with you about deprived areas drawing in more nodes due to density, the opposite is true since oftentimes public housing in Ireland is multi-level apartment based, which in most cases isn’t subdivided and mapped as a single building=residential. I wish you posted more because you don’t actually explain what you mean about this being insufficient proof/disproof. It almost sounds like you didn’t like that I did this diary.

@Smef09 I understand, there are many reasons why a mapper will not map what’s right in front of them, and I also think these maxims may have been things to do in the past, but as the map fills up more they become less relevant. I know mappers whose reach is vast within Ireland. You are right, trees are an item that can be vandalised, and oftentimes that is a feature of deprived neighbourhoods. Do you only map trees?

@FredrikC That maxim cannot possibly contain the motivations of every mapper who has mapped Dublin. People move around the city of Dublin everyday, they have several areas that they will know just as well as what is immediately around them.

The problem with the “findings” of the blogger were that once we examine at the volume of contributed geometry we found the deprived areas doing significantly better - see the results of the extracts above. The only thing there is less of in the deprived areas is tagging depth, which like your point may require opportunity, knowledge, community support and I would agree that there is likely to be a big gap there.

Having said all this, there are huge gaps all over Dublin, all sorts of areas are not mapped out to completion with landuses and buildings. We simply don’t have enough people mapping, or at least not enough yet to be able to make solid pronouncements like that blog.

Hi Harry - you already have some good comments there but a couple of things that struck me whilst reading this are as follows, in no particular order:

1. Other than tagging conventions and instructions there aren’t rules on what mappers should do, and there is no order set down anywhere of things that should be done first. Even experienced mappers in Ireland can’t agree on logical ways to go about mapping a town, and invariably will do different approaches of deep-dive or completeness, or things in between. We never would agree these things either. It should be a test of our creativity to work out how to complete landuses when we only have buildings, or to find missing highways when we only have landuses, and so on….

2. Individual mappers may map all that’s around where they presently live, or may at times map several places where they have an emotional attachment. I often hear the “map around me” model, but I reckon if a mapper is the second person and doesn’t have experience of adding extra detail they displace their mapping to elsewhere. Reason I raise this is that we (online, SOTM talks, Meetups) make a lot of assumptions about a cloud of detail containing a mapper’s home place and it isn’t always true in every case, neither is it as true as I think you said.

3. Related to the second, if mappers provide more detail on places near/dear to them then the job of chapters and communities is to try to join these detail gulfs up, and to take longer term approaches with community tasks that allow there be consistency.

4. The only time I ever feel frustration akin to yours is when I discover connected node pile ups. I found one with a historic boundary, a gate, a vertix on a barrier wall, a pathway all co-inciding and done by experienced mappers each leaving it for someone else to resolve, and not helped by the fact that each are taking a different priority.

5. Myself I feel that residential buildings are important, and I don’t understand why if we map service points to increase map use we don’t also think about delivery points as a map-use driver.

Anyway those were a bit random. I hope you support The Arsenal, with that being your near/dear place :P

I appreciate all you have on this map so far ar Your uMap could be more complete if you can negotiate release of the data collected in Meath and Westmeath Councils.

Well done @b-unicycling. It was nice to help you, and I love where you have gone with it.

Very interesting, you can see the bias of coastal places for golf and the specificity of Ireland’s largest sporting activity.

@Heather Leson Nice work parsing it out. I’m looking at this and it needs a lot more filtering. The tags arent sufficient, we need some extra ones like Governance, Branding, End-user X, and so on and that was before I got down to about 20 on the first tab.

@apm-wa I will think about it because I have zero time in the next 72 hours, happy if someone jumps ahead of me!

I was scanning down through the wiki and the ones I would have thought of are already covered. I think the next step with that is to group them, or categorise them and make them into a mind map or something. I’m not offering to do that, but really that is an overwhelming level of suggestions that would take a long time to deal with individually.

I think this is amazing, how you manage to overcome adversity to get on with your mapping and learning. There are some people who don’t have these challenges, who get distracted easily and leave little trace of themselves in the map. I think they should all read your diary entry and think about their priorities - and be inspired to be as efficient as you are.

What apps were you using when you were here?

Very happy to assist you in these endeavours. The UK border is an issue that has been high on rhetoric and low on fact. Mostly this is because the event hasnt happened yet, and in the way it is happening nobody can make a solid preparatory intervention. What we will establish here is a living record of an open border, as in very detailed mapping of the main crossings and the infrastructure in place like signage, observation, surveillance, checkpoints, and traffic management.

There is a way to play games and map, try out an app called streetcomplete. ;)

Well done in your diary post.

I agree, there should be a health warning for the way imagery is rectified, especially because sat images provided by Bing for example have new iterations (without warning too), and fluctuating quality.

You are a superb mapper in your own right Montsy. You could beat off the higher node counts in a lot of other countries. Keep up your activity and try to learn how to map the types of things you saw in Milano.

Hi Did you ask for feedback? Like what was the core of the successful proposed talks? Was it that they were closer to the conference theme, or was it that yours wasn’t easy to link to other things?

DeBigC

You are simply awesome Tshedy, you are obsessed :), but in the best way possible. Whether you win this or not you are the best mapper I know simply because you are very accurate and very good at showing others the need for that diligence.

I like it and I want to test it out. Your post is a great intro for me. Thanks!

OSM seems to me to always hook two types of mappers. One group are location focused, and another are “thing” focused, or if I say it another way thematic.

Good to see the tool now cater for both. Can’t wait to start hopping around fixing stuff.

Thank you for this contribution. I enjoyed reading what you said. Is that you hiding in the back?

There is a very different land holding system in the Kingdom to what we are used to (Anglo Saxon influences). Basically all land is held by the King, his trustees being Government where there is no settlement and Chieftains in villages. Protection of the environment is sadly not on the radar for either party. Creating reserves is a bi-product of that. That is why phase two of #MapLesotho will need a big focus on forestry and woodlands. Let’s debate the details… how to trace and how to tag.. At a later stage. For the moment let’s record the hinterlands as accurately as possible so that we can un paralyse Government and the Ministry for Forestry and Land reclamation in seeing the conserving role they can have.