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Your change from building=school to amenity=school for Scoala George Baritiu in Turda was not “fixing”. In fact, you did damage.

The entire area comprising multiple school buildings is already tagged as amenity=school. The main school building should therefore have a tag building=school, but it should not be tagged amenity=school.

Your change resulted in an erroneous amenity=school within amenity=school, and it prevented the main school building from being rendered.

Please be more careful in future. Always check to see if the area around school buildings is already tagged as amenity=school.

81610583

What is the basis for moving the location of the Adam Bilinski POI which I added?

81610503

If the POI is still there and I missed it, it would be good to set artwork_type to a value described on the wiki, so that mappers know what exactly they should be looking for.

81610503

I was unable to verify the existence of the artwork when I walked the street last night. That is why I removed it, along with other things (shops) that no longer exist on this street. Did you verify it with your own eyes before restoring?

80964669

I can’t stand being criticized by people who do it rudely and brusquely because, as I said, you risk scaring off less-confident editors and newbies by doing this.

81318288

Also, your claim that waiting a period of time before tweaking edits and fixing errors, "is discouraged by the OSM community" is completely false. In fact, the organized OSM community often works precisely in this way, and it was how I was taught to edit by my local club.

One of the common formats for local OSM mapping parties is e.g. a Saturday spent walking the streets and making edits with one’s phone, and only on the following Sunday (or even the next weekend) does the local community sit down somewhere at their laptops with JOSM or iD and improve on those edits and fix any mistakes which where introduced.

Mistakes happen, and in future you ought to be patient as editors fix their own mistakes instead of complaining that OSMAnd Live (which is not even the version that every OSMAnd user is running) updates hourly. If you were complaining about an actual street, then the matter would be urgent, but this is a building passage that leads to no major POIs, and the probability of anyone needing to route to it in the interim is very low.

80964669

As these examples were added by disparate editors, then the examples you link to are not in themselves convincing, as those editors could have simply thrown every seemingly valid tag at the node.

However, I see now that Vespucci does not overwrite tags when setting up a historical=memorial and then going on to choose tourism=artwork from the menu. That does convince me that this tags may be reasonably combined (though one may wonder why Vespucci does not automatically tag the POI with both tags if, as you claim, both are important.) Therefore, I will let both tags stand in future.

However, note that in several of your linked examples, artwork_type=statue is used to complement memorial=statue. Therefore, your tagging choice of artwork_type=sculpture ought to be changed. Indeed, the OSM wiki says, “If the work represents people or animals, you should use artwork_type = statue.”

81318288

Again, you do not own Wroclaw. I have spoken about your behaviour with other mappers, and indeed if you continue to be so territorial, then it could lead to DWG involvement against you.

I am not going to be intimidated by your behaviour. But the sad thing is that you are probably scaring off less confident mappers and newbies with your attitude.

Yes, this part of Wroclaw is very incomplete. While I added a lot of shops and opening hours on my last walk on these streets, I barely scratched the surface. Instead of harassing me over my edits, why don’t you walk these same streets and improve the map?

81318288

And yes, fixing errors days later is a completely normal course of action. Remember that OSM counts many editors who do not have broadband internet access. The most common apps for end users to access OSM routing data like tunnels only update their files on a monthly basis or even less frequently, and therefore a gap of a few days is not a huge emergency.

81318288

This portion of Wroclaw is very incomplete on OSM, so if a tunnel is duplicated for a few days in the course of adding a large number of POIs, then it is still a net positive.

It is useful that my edits are being reviewed by others. However, you do not own Wroclaw on OSM, and harassing me over my edits is inappropriate.

81318288

I see now. Considering that the changeset you linked to had three different buildings with building passages in them, you could have been more specific.

I would have fixed this myself when I went through these streets in Wroclaw to make tweaks and corrections. However, I only have internet access fast and stable enough for JOSM every few days, so in future please be patient.

80964669

Please spare me the “we don’t tag for the renderer”. I have been an OSM editor for a long time now and I am well aware of that.

However, the behavior of the most common renderers is a perfectly valid guide to expectations of what "main tags" should and should not be mixed in modern OSM. There are many cases where a POI should not get more than a single main tag, and in the case of historic=memorial, memorial=statue community practice suggests that this tag already serves to fully describe the POI without the need for tourism=artwork (a tag that is used mainly for artworks that do not depict historical figures).

I don’t see why Wroclaw should have a tagging practice that sets it apart from other European cities.

81318288

How so? I left a note here saying that the tunnel in building 99 should be moved to building 97. Another editor then made the change. If you have not fully refreshed your OSM.org tiles, then two tiles may appear on your screen, but I see only one.

81327277

OK, I will let these separate ATM nodes stand in the future.

80964669

That the tourism=artwork and historic=memorial tags are not meant to be combined in modern OSM, is clear from how the most popular renderers have chosen to act. If tourism=artwork is not present, then they will show attributes of the memorial (i.e. whether it is a statue, bust, stone, etc.), but once you add tourism=artwork, then all that information is lost.

I have clicked around some major statues of historical figures in Europe, and they do not combine the tags, so your choice does seem nonstandard and IMHO deleterious.

81327277

When the ATM is not standalone, then setting atm=yes on the bank POI is the standard tagging.

80964669

Tourism=artwork is not a standard tagging for statues of historical figures in squares, and that is why I removed it.

80964999

Ramp=separate (like sidewalk=separate for roads) is an important tag to avoid StreetComplete users being prompted to fill in the tags on highway=steps.

> You can add ramp tags to the proper way i.e. the blue one.

Ramp:wheelchair would not be appropriate for the blue way because it is not a highway=steps. See the wiki entry.

80964999

Yes, it is true, because I was just here three days ago and I saw this with my own eyes. The line rendered in blue on OSM.org is the ramp for the nearby stairs (with a handrail for wheelchair users). If you want people sent along the ramp instead of the stairs in routing scenarios, then one can tag the stairs ramp=separate, but nevertheless the stairs should be marked for accessibility for users who wish to determine how many highway=steps are accompanied by ramps.

80964999

Why have you reverted my changes here? These stairs are accompanied by a wheelchair ramp, and therefore ramp:wheelchair is the right tagging.